“When my daughter was just a baby, I took her to the shed so she could get used to the sounds of the animals from the very beginning. In the winter, we’d put her next to the animals while we fed them.
“Other children get frightened by strange sounds, but she calmed down as soon as she heard the sheep, the horses and the dogs. When she was a toddler, she learned how to walk among the sheep. A stranger would frighten the animals away, but if a child gets used to it, they know how to move so as not to disturb the animals.
“And then we took her with us when we took the animals grazing to the pasture. And she loved it. She gathered flowers or played with the lambs before kindergarten age, before she was three. I always took her with me to the pasture. And now when she has a summer holiday at school, she goes with her father to the pasture or takes a meal to her father in the pasture in the morning.
“When she’s home from school, she always comes to the shed and helps with the work; feeding the lambs, looking after them. She has her own lambs, her favourites, and her own dog. It’s obvious that she loves it, that she’s interested, but nobody knows what the future brings.”
“If my daughter didn’t want to become a herder, I wouldn’t force her, because if you don’t want to do it, you won’t be able to do it well. You have to love it. You can only do it if you really want to.
“The key thing, the thing that makes us unique is that we do it together as family, actually two families (with the family of my husband’s brother). My husband always says that if we work together, then we also go out together and have fun together.”
“Family, and the love of sheep, the love of animals. That’s the key thing about us.”
Can you learn to become a traditional herder?
“That’s a good question and it’s difficult to answer,” says Ibolya. “The first thing to say is that if you want to be the best, then you have to be born into it.
“But even if you are not born into a herder family, you can learn it if you’re really committed. You would need a good teacher, someone who is a real herder, who has the experience and can teach you all the nuts and bolts of herding. But it requires really complex knowledge.
“You have to be familiar with the illnesses, and you need to be around them all day to observe them well.”
“Livestock is not like an object. If you leave an object, it will be the same when you return, but animals will always change.”
“They may get an unexpected illness, and if I’m not there and I don’t detect it in time, then it will die.
“If you’re born into a herding family, you have the eye for it. You realise it immediately. My husband or I will know straight away if there is a problem – you can see it in their eyes, though the signs may often be very slight. But loving your job is the first thing. The most important thing is that you love your animal, because then you will pay attention.”
Other herders argue that you cannot be a traditional herder unless you are born into a traditional herder family. If you’re not with the animals from the age of one, two or three years old, it’s much more difficult to get the type of attachment needed to love the animals in a way that you can produce meat in a love-rich environment.
How much do Hungarians know about traditional herders?
Many Hungarians are aware of them. In folktales, Bible stories and festivals, herders are very present.
In every other Hungarian family, mothers and fathers read folktales hundreds of times for their children, folktales that are full of herders. Usually there is a princess, or a woman from a rich family that falls in love with a cattle, sheep or swine herder, and the father forbids the union, saying that the young man is just a herder and not worthy for his daughter.
Then the father creates competitions between the herder and other princes and rich young men to prove that the herder isn’t good enough. But the herders always win, because they are honest, clever and determined.
Hungarians also see herders in festivals because there is a movement to revive Hungarian folk traditions. So they’ll see herders on stage at these festivals in their beautiful embroidered clothes, and everyone loves to take selfies with them.
“At these events, we always wear our festive clothes and, if possible, the whole family will attend,” said Ibolya. “It’s a time for us to meet other herders and enjoy ourselves, and sharing stories late into the night. It’s a chance for us to recharge our batteries.”
However, many Hungarians only really see herders at these festivals. Around 50 to 80 years ago, almost everybody had a direct personal connection with a herder, but now it’s only about 5-10% of the population, or even less.
Understanding what herders do
Although herders are present in festivals and in stories in Hungary, this doesn’t mean that people have a full understanding of the work that they do; that they produce healthy and tasty meat and manage grasslands.
Traditional herder, László Sáfián (Ibolya’s husband) adds:
“People don’t always see that we herders also work for nature: we manage the pastures, we manage weeds, bushes and reeds. People think that all this diversity comes from nature only; they believe that these grasslands would survive without grazing.
“Proper grazing needs knowledgeable herders. Otherwise, livestock would only eat the good grass. Many areas still have their own herder who knows the area and what can be grazed where and when.”
“Without herders, these areas would not be pasture any longer, just rough land.”
“Left to their own devices, sheep and cattle are inclined to overgraze some parts of the pasture.
“But if a grassland is not grazed at all, it will be overgrown with weeds. Pastures would be ruined and go wild if there is no livestock on them. Thorny bushes and thistles would spread, and they must be cut back by conservationists with expensive machines at high fuel prices.
Ibolya’s recordings of traditional Hungarian folk songs taken at festivals.
Erdő, erdő, de magos…
Pozse Mári libája…
“Herders can also help restore these abandoned pastures. With grazing, pastures become a lot cleaner; they are refreshed. More birds go there. Wildlife has a cycle, which requires livestock.
“A lot of people don’t consider herders’ knowledge to be real knowledge.
“We did not learn from books—we inherited this knowledge, we were born into it. If people respected us a bit more, that would mean a lot.”
People also need the understand that “if herders go, tasty meat will go too”.
Ibolya agrees that more understanding of herding would be beneficial for the community.
“I think the government should educate young people on what herding really means, to make them understand that it’s difficult,” she says. “Some people say that herders just have to stand around and do nothing all day.”
To help with this, [Zsolt and László] created a film that follows László throughout an afternoon of herding, where he describes the intricacies of the work and the traditional knowledge needed to carry it out. It has been extremely popular in Hungary, and the team also produced an English version to be able to widen the film’s reach.
The film got hundreds of thousands of views and people who commented often said that they never realised how much knowledge and patience is needed to be a traditional herder.
“More recently, people’s view on herders has become more positive, especially since the film became available,” says Ibolya. “More people are valuing this knowledge and appreciating it. You know, every profession, every job has special knowledge, no matter what it is. Before you judge something, you should take a better look at it.”
Gender divides in the Hungarian herding community
Traditional herding has always been very gendered. In the past, it was a physically difficult job, so men would take care of the sheep and the cattle, and the women would care for the smaller animals that you can care for at home; the chickens and the pigs. More recently, what often falls to the women is the increased bureaucratic work that is now compulsory.
These days, the traditional gender divides are becoming less stark, as there are machines to do some of the heavy work.
Ibolya describes how it works in their farm:
“The typical female roles are tending to the young lambs, giving them food and drink and keeping an eye on them. We check that they’re healthy and keep the herds tidy. The typical male role is taking the animals out for grazing, and he maintains the schedule of who goes where.
“It’s true that I also do a lot of paperwork – for the last ten years, there has been so much bureaucracy and red tape. We have to do a lot of things on paper and it takes up more time than we spend with the animals. It’s so frustrating because if there’s a mistake in the paperwork, then we won’t receive a subsidy, or they could even close down our farm.
“In the old times, I just went out with the animals. My husband would go in one direction with the larger animals and I would go in another direction with the young lambs and older sheep. I love this about herding, to be out in nature and enjoying the freedom of this lifestyle.”
“My daughter and niece do men and women’s jobs too. Erika takes the sheep grazing by herself, she drives the tractor and does the machine work. She enjoys doing the ‘man’s job’. But really, we usually don’t differentiate things as man’s work or woman’s work at our farm. We do everything together, men and women. Everybody has their own responsibilities, of course, but if it’s needed, everyone can do everything.”
Herders working together with conservation rangers
Historically, conservation rangers and traditional herders have had different ways of working, but over the last few decades, they have started to collaborate more on how to manage the land, especially the species-rich grasslands in nature protected areas.
This collaboration only started recently, because historically nature conservation has always been based on a worldview that comes from the city, from science, wherein the whole mentality of nature conservation is that humans live in the city and nature is outside the city. And people who live in nature destroy it, so we have to control them.
“This is partly true, but it’s dangerous to carry out conservation like this without understanding what some people – herders, for example – are doing in nature, with nature, and for nature, and what they are trying to achieve,” adds Zsolt Molnár. “And that’s why there was a divide between conservation rangers and herders, because they simply couldn’t understand each other’s objectives.”
It was very difficult for them to find the communication channels and build up mutual trust. But it’s important to do so, because the rangers are the knowledge brokers between science-based conservationists and traditional land users like herders.
“Things are getting better in our country,” says László.
“Conservation rangers would not talk to us 20 years ago. They criticised us without asking us anything. Now they stop and we can talk about pasturing and grassland management. We agree on about 90 per cent of things, so we can find good solutions.”
“For example, we revived an old meadow management practice: we graze the meadows in early spring, so we can cut the hay later, when the European Union regulations allow it for us. And this is also good for the birds breeding on the ground.”
“Herders and rangers have many common objectives, such as preventing over- and under-grazing, stopping the spread of weeds and invasive species. Although around 50-60% of the objectives are the same between rangers and herders, the issue is how those objectives are reached. That’s where conflicts can arise.” – Zsolt says based on the research done in his research group.
They have different worldviews and different knowledge of the pasture. For example, even if they share the objective of properly grazing the land, ‘proper’ grazing means something different to a herder and to a ranger. But as soon as you listen to each other and understand each other, then you can quickly come to a better compromise. And a herder is much more ready to compromise if he feels that he is understood.
“We need to recognise each other’s knowledge,” says László. “We should teach each other. Many conservationists say that our traditional herding is very much needed in protected areas because there were wild horses, wild cattle and bison many millennia ago, and these habitats need grazing to maintain their diversity. Others only see the overgrazed areas managed by less knowledgeable ‘herders’. Proper grazing needs knowledgeable herders.”
The future of traditional herding
Traditional herding is a labour-intensive way to raise animals that relies on traditional knowledge that has been accumulated over generations. However, this is not reflected in the price of the meat when it is sold. As it isn’t sold at a premium price, it can’t compete with other, less ethical, meat producers. Herders need support because they have to compete with the unethical production of meat, both inside and outside Europe.
“I am worried about the future of herding,” says Ibolya. “People that work with animals need to be paid enough to make ends meet.
“Many people have left herding because they are not paid well enough – it’s a very difficult job and it pays very little.”
“And even if they love the job, they still had to leave because they couldn’t support their family from the money they made.
“To help us, I think the government should educate young people on what herding really means. So that they understand that it’s difficult, but if you love it, you could do it well, and produce high quality meat. For example, the government could set up a training school for herders, to help the tradition live on.”
In Hungary, there are half-a-million hectares of species-rich natural and semi-natural grasslands in protected areas that can produce human food only if utilized by proper herded grazing. If people understood this connection, herders would have more respect and a better life. If herders were respected and paid fairly, many young people would be happy to return to the traditions, of course with the needed innovations.